From: Hanna Wilberg <h.wilberg@auckland.ac.nz>
To: davidrwingfield@gmail.com
Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier@gmail.com>
CC: Andrew Tettenborn <a.m.tettenborn@swansea.ac.uk>
Jason W Neyers <jneyers@uwo.ca>
obligations@uwo.ca
Date: 05/05/2018 03:02:55 UTC
Subject: Re: [FORGED] Re: off-highway negligence

The result may well be right, but it seems to me the reasoning takes a wrong turning in treating this as a case about occupier’s liability rather than the liability of a highway authority: contrary to para [26], the duty contended for should turn on the special position of a highway authority.  This case squarely raises an issue as to the application of Stovin: are there ever any circumstances in which a highway authority does owe a duty of care to control hazards on land adjoining the highway?  If there are some such circumstances, then in the same sort of circumstances a highway authority must owe a duty of care to control hazards on adjoining land which it has itself acquired for the very purpose of carrying out improvement works (presumably improvement works for the benefit of the highway). Conversely, if a highway authority can never owe such a duty, then I cannot see how a private landowner could.

 

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From: "davidrwingfield@gmail.com" <davidrwingfield@gmail.com>
Date: Saturday, 5 May 2018 at 09:31
To: Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier@gmail.com>
Cc: Andrew Tettenborn <a.m.tettenborn@swansea.ac.uk>, Jason Neyers <jneyers@uwo.ca>, "obligations@uwo.ca" <obligations@uwo.ca>
Subject: [FORGED] Re: off-highway negligence

 

And where would the limits of liability end? What about a lawful structure that reflects light that temporarily dazzles drivers? Or what about land that doesn’t drain water effectively from the road leading to black ice on the roadway?  The possibilities are endless.  Would imposing a positive obligation on landowners to ensure that drivers don’t experience any potentially dangerous changes to their driving experience be sound as a matter of law or policy?  Surely it’s right to require drivers to adapt to their driving conditions.  This is what competent drivers are supposed to do...

 

All the best,

David Wingfield

 

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On May 4, 2018, at 4:33 PM, Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier@gmail.com> wrote:

This seems dead wrong to me.  The law of negligence restricts property

rights in all sorts of ways and for very good reasons.

Subject to proving foreseeability i.e. that it was reasonably

foreseeable that the high vedgetation would cause an accident, I think

this action should have succeeded.

On 5/4/18, Andrew Tettenborn <a.m.tettenborn@swansea.ac.uk> wrote:

The court dealt with that: they regarded the "near the highway" cases as

cases where there was something physically affecting the highway itself,

such as smoke blowing over it from a fire nearby. The danger on the

highway, in other words, had to be physical, not simply a matter

abstractly reducing the safety road users might otherwise enjoy.

Andrew

On 04/05/18 17:55, Jason W Neyers wrote:

I wonder how this result squares with the older cases which claimed

that it was a public nuisance to create a danger on or /near/ a public

highway.

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*From:*Andrew Tettenborn <a.m.tettenborn@swansea.ac.uk>

*Sent:* May 4, 2018 10:26 AM

*Subject:* off-highway negligence

A nice case today about occupiers' non-liability. If I own land next

to the highway and do something with it that restricts visibility on

the highway, do I owe a duty of care to highway users? No. Highway

users take the view (or lack of it) next to the highway as they find

it. So a Welsh government was not liable for planting high vegetation

next to the highway that caused a car to hit a cyclist. Presumably

this also would cover, for example, the person who put up a picture of

an attractive naked woman on his house that, like Zuleika Dobson,

fatally distracted passers-by at a critical time.

See Sumner v Colborne [2018] EWCA Civ 1006

Odd though it may seem, I suspect this is right. I don't see why

landowners' property rights should be restricted where they don't

physically impinge on non-visitors' space: in the same way that

occupiers don't owe any duty to keep those on neighbouring land safe

-- Armstrong v Keepmoat Homes Ltd, QBD (Newcastle District Registry),

unreported 3 February 2012.

Andrew

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